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Flip-Face Gordon and Percy, Toby with an odd car
#16
(05-10-2018, 03:37 PM)Muddy Poppins Wrote: Well that would seem logical! It couldn't be on the FP website because it's Hit, so it could only have been Thomas wiki?...oh Star this is gonna take me forever to dig into the memory banks to remember where I read that!! Wink It's gonna drive me crazy now too....maybe Jdogman will pop in with some info that might jog my memory?!?
Please Jdog if your out there?

Nooooo I don't knoooow.

The only Thomas toy recalls I ever knew about were the two Wooden Railway recalls in 2007 for lead red/yellow paint and lead grey/black paint. I also remember the Tomy website putting up a notice asking not to send any of their items.

I don't know anything about a recall for TrackMaster products. I thought we kept waiting for Percy and the Ice Cream Factory and Flip-Face Gordon and they never came.
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I would like to revive this thread because i may have a tiny bit more info and a few theories on the infamous Flip Face Percy

Percy at the ice cream factory:
this set was supposed to be released in 2007, appearing in fun guides and on the back of boxes. The set was cancelled for reasons unknown. the fun guide description says how this set would have worked. The Percy featured would have had a face change mechanism like Toby, James and Thomas. He also would have pulled a brown car with a YELLOW barrel. however in 2008 the RC HiT Toys Percy was released with a tired expression & blue coach. no other RC engine had an exclusive face and the tooling from the RC Percy is near identical to the Flip face one as Ffarquar Developer mentioned in another post. Somebody mentioned lead paint and multiple people claim that they have seen one, a logical explanation would be that he was released as A: an exclusive item to a certain store (spooky Stanley style) or B: a few accidentally slipped out. it would make sense for them to be recalled by HiT as they weren't supposed to be released, maybe for that exact reason: lead paint. A few wooden railway items were recalled in the same year so it all lines up perfectly...

Singular flip face Percy?: In a tweet from SidekickJason he said he had contacted HiT with questions about their line, on numerous occasions he brought up the flip face engines (this is in 2009) The employee (Amy) said that they would be released in the future as singular engines without sets like Toby or James. They did release the Flip face Hiro singularly as well as James and Thomas. In the email they mentioned Gordon several times and a singular Gordon was featured in the image that muddy posted at the beginning of the thread as well as a Percy without windows but the Ice cream factory Percy DID have windows therefore they are not the same model i think. Fisher Price bought HiT out in 2010, the emails are from 2009 therefore i think that the Gordon and Percy were supposed to be released separately in 2010. Also the car that Percy pulls is different in both his images (one sloping inwards. The barrel is also pink in this version...i have no idea why. 

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#18
Interesting
Those eyes on Gordon look like an eerie hypnotist. Wonder what his flip side looks like.  And what is that in his Tender, certainly not black coal.
What is that in the car behind Toby...cargo? What would a street tram be doing pulling cargo?
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#19
I would assume the flip side would have been angry as he was portrayed as angry a lot in the HiT era...
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#20
It would be interesting to see what his angry face would look like with bug eyes like those Smile
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#21
What if the pink barrel flip face percy is the first prototype of the the flip face percy as there are no cab windows on it. To add to this that flip face toby looks exactly like the prototype seen on the copper mine box (except it has a brown truck not a blue one ) and the Gordon looks very off.
So therefore my mini theory is that the image of the three engines was made BEFORE the percy with the ice cream factory image was taken and that they are the original prototypes.
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(02-25-2021, 01:46 AM)Super Wrote: What is that in the car behind Toby...cargo? What would a street tram be doing pulling cargo?
Toby's first job on Sodor was working for the Ffarquhar Quarry Company...
 
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(02-25-2021, 01:55 AM)Tons of Trackmasters Wrote: He also would have pulled a brown car with a YELLOW barrel. however in 2008 the RC HiT Toys Percy was released with a tired expression & blue coach. no other RC engine had an exclusive face and the tooling from the RC Percy is near identical to the Flip face one as Ffarquar Developer mentioned in another post. Somebody mentioned lead paint and multiple people claim that they have seen one, a logical explanation would be that he was released as A: an exclusive item to a certain store (spooky Stanley style) or B: a few accidentally slipped out. it would make sense for them to be recalled by HiT as they weren't supposed to be released, maybe for that exact reason: lead paint. A few wooden railway items were recalled in the same year so it all lines up perfectly...

Yes, I would like to add to this! They might've seen the RC Percy though since both are incredibly identical and the latter was probably a reused tooling. B is also very likely as well. Definitely COULD and probably was the CASE where they had so many plans for 2010 like TrackMaster Daisy, Flip-Face Gordon, and Percy, we did see they did have Charlie planned so it wouldn't be too far off to say 2010 would've been a great year for TrackMaster with releases but alas that was canned with the FP Takeover.
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#24
@Chrisjo

Thank you for the pictures. I am shocked as I always assumed that he was a Tram/Streetcar the carried passengers but looking closely at your pictures I see that he isn't electric which would have been what I pictured in my head for a Tram/Streetcar. I see a smoke stack in the rear...what is he powered by and is he based on something real?
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I'd also like to add to this thread. In the one pic you can see I've circled the eyes, this is because I noticed that the eyes appear to be separate from the face unlike the other flip face engines. This gives me reason to believe the face would rotate around stationary eyes. Another thing, notice how on the FF Gordons footplate the buffer beam dips far beneath the buffers, the Fisher Price talking Gordon has an almost identical dip beneath the buffers. I think some parts off of the FF Gordon were used in the production of the Fisher Price talking Gordon.
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(02-25-2021, 02:10 PM)Super Wrote: @Chrisjo

Thank you for the pictures. I am shocked as I always assumed that he was a Tram/Streetcar the carried passengers but looking closely at your pictures I see that he isn't electric which would have been what I pictured in my head for a Tram/Streetcar. I see a smoke stack in the rear...what is he powered by and is he based on something real?

Toby is a J70 steam tram. He was built in 1914 and arrived on Sodor around 1951. Fun Fact: Toby has brothers, one of whom was briefly seen in the railway series story: Toby's seaside Holiday.
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The prototype flip face Gordon is a different beast entirely! 
In his token prototype image he has: no number, beige coal, white running board and...that face... of course it was a prototype and would NOT have that face (I hope ?.) Lets tackle the Gordon:

As great Gordon fan said: Images of these 3 engines appeared all over boxes in 2007 therefore in 2007 these were built. Percy doesn't have any windows but has them later in his ice cream factory prototype image therefore we could say that: A-This is a DIFFERENT prototype or B- this is the same models and the windows were added later, this therefore could put this image before the Ice Cream factory was created. Toby was brushed up and his prototype featured in the box artwork for the Toby at the copper mine set. 

Fast forward to 2009 when the emails that i mentioned before really come into place. Sidekickjason asked Amy a lot about the flip face Gordon in 2009 that is 2 years after the first prototype was shown. (Amy was an employee at HiT toys) she said they would be available soon (2010?) in 2010 FP bought out HiT so it makes sense i guess?

Flip face Gordon would probably never come out in a set but like Hiro and Thomas (2009).

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by the way, should flip face Gordon have a wiki page?
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#28
That's exactly what I said in one of my previous posts on this thread
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#29
oh sorry, i didn't noticeBlush. I'll go and cut that bit out
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It's ok Tons don't worry Wink .
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